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Road safety investigators to visit scene of Quedgeley death crash

By The Citizen  |  Posted: November 06, 2012

CRASH:   The accident spot on the A38, Quedgeley, at the turn for Kingsway.

CRASH: The accident spot on the A38, Quedgeley, at the turn for Kingsway.

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HIGHWAY chiefs investigating traffic speed along the A38 at Quedgeley are to visit the site of a death crash next week.

Motorcyclist Martin Acock, 43, from Stroud, died after a crash involving a lorry on October 20.

A police investigation is under way, but there have also calls for Gloucestershire County Council highways to launch its own investigation into the 70mph speed limit of the dual carriageway.

The junction with the entrance to Kingsway was the site of the most recent crash.

County councillor Jackie Hall (C, Quedgeley) called for the investigation to be launched.

She said: "I am very pleased that the council is now looking in more depth at the road and I hope that, when it comes to the meeting, the police investigation will have come up with some findings that will help inform where we go from here."

Highways officers will meet representatives from the police and the Highway Safety Partnership on the road in the week commencing November 11.

Andrew Parker-Mowbray, from the accident investigation and prevention team at the Road Safety Partnership, said: "I am hopeful that the ongoing police collision investigation into this incident will be sufficiently advanced by the time of this meeting to enable us to review the situation with the full information available to us, including vehicle reports and witness statements."

The issue is also going to be discussed by concerned Quedgeley parish councillors at their next meeting on November 19 at 7.30pm at Quedgeley Community Centre.

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  • IsitJimKerr  |  November 08 2012, 11:28AM

    I have already said that I am doing between 60 -65 mph. As said, the holier than thou hand wringers will come out in force. I have passed RoSPA advanced training course, so I know exactly what I am talking about. As I described, ig the lights change, and you are ten feet away, can you stop?.....NO! So come back away from the lights to say 50 feet, avn you stop?....NO! So it's obvious to most people that there is an 'optimum' distance, that given the spedd of the road, allows drivers to stop in time. What perhaps I should have mentioned is the fact that coming from Cole Ave end, the stopping distance is fine, it's only the other direction that it's wrong. Being aware that the lights 'might' change is a given, so let's say one is doing 50, they change, you execute an emergency stop, and you're over the line, who is at fault?

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  • annalou27  |  November 07 2012, 11:45AM

    I am deeply sorry that Mr Acock lost his life on this stretch of road a couple of weeks ago and I sincerely hope that his female passenger is on the mend seeing as we have heard nothing reported about her condition. I have lived here 3 years and can honestly say it was only a matter of time before there was a fatal accident on those lights. The amount of people who race along that road, race the lights etc is unbelievable. I have been forced out of a lane because someone was to impatient to slow down and wait. There are not (in my opinion) enough warning signs indicating to drivers that there are lights aproaching. A reduction in the speed limit must be considered along with the possible insertion of a roundabout. I would hate to think someone else could lose their life on this road.

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  • Hello_TiG  |  November 07 2012, 9:56AM

    To Isitjimkerr - what a ridiculous statement, further illustrating your lack of intelligence for all to see. And for the record, I am willing to bet I am trained to a far higher standard of driving than you will ever be. You seem to have been given a little bit of 'information' about 'how lights work' and got it totally around your neck, to the point that your attitude to driving sounds like you are actually bordering on the dangerous. "..It's a 70 speed limit, so, as you approach, you are going to do what?.............gradually slow down as you near the line, to what speed, 15 or 10mph?.." What you fail to appreciate is that 70mph is not a target. Good driving is about driving to the conditions and anticipating. So, to answer your question, yes, as you approach a set of lights you should moderate your speed so that you ARE able to stop in time. That doesn't mean driving at 10mph, you are just being ridiculous. Shaving 20mph off your 'bat-out-of-hell' driving style would make a world of difference at that junction and to your cars ability to brake in time. You could then safely accelerate to your terminal velocity once past the lights. However, I suspect that you will not see the sense in what I say and therefore I truly hope and pray that I am never at those lights as you come flying past on your daily "it's a 70mph limit" commute. Should there ever be an incident at those lights in the circumstances you describe, the first question from my mouth will be "Is it Jim Kerr?" How very appropriate.

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  • bonzaharris1  |  November 06 2012, 10:50PM

    I recall, when being taught to drive, that you ease off the gas as you approach traffic lights to allow for you to have time to stop safely if they should change. If they do not change when you are at a point that you would not be able to stop safely, then accelerate appropriately. I have seen quite a few cars lately, that do not practise this, and when approaching traffic lights at speed, just carry on and jump the red.

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  • IsitJimKerr  |  November 06 2012, 8:01PM

    Hello_TiG & safeandnice................you really ought to do a bit more driving. Let's say as a worse case scenario, you are ten feet from the stop line and the lights change. It's a 70 speed limit, so, as you approach, you are going to do what?.............gradually slow down as you near the line, to what speed, 15 or 10mph? You obviously have no comprehension of how lights work. There are sensors in the road, so that if you are travelling towards a particular set of lights, within the speed limit, it senses this, and allows you to get accross. Conversely, something triggering the lights from a side junction will make the lights change, but only when it's safe for them to change. Just for you, because I already know them, I have been on the Govt's website and typical stopping distance at 60 is 73 metres or 240 feet, so if the lights change at any less than that, you'll jump them, or do you really not understand that? Look at spindles comment @ 10.32 for confirmation of the same circumstances. Plus I have been in touch with the person in charge of lights in the City, prior to this incident. And finally for the pious, self-righteous, hand wringing individuals, you telling me you've NEVER had the lights change just before you got there and didn't manage to stop?

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  • bonzaharris1  |  November 06 2012, 6:28PM

    Thing is Spindles, is that even if they reduced the limit to 50mph, even on the approach to the lights, no one would take the blindest bit of notice. I often use the Northern Bypass, from Elmbridge Court to Cver. As you approach the turn off to the garage on the bypass, there is speed limit signs for 50mph. As you approach the roundabout, and the Cassie Wildman crossing [named after the 14 year old girl who died there some years ago], it is reduced to 40mph. Every single time I drive along there, I slow down, as per the speed limit signs, and every time cars hammer past me, going hell for leather until they are within yards of the roundabout. Then it is slam on the brakes time. If they reduced the speed limit on Waterwells, no one one would observe it. But lights on the brow of a hill, stupid really. As Mr Bonza has said, why didn't they put slip road there instead of lights. Then answers his own question, with I suppose they would have had to sacrifice a few houses to do that !!

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  • safeandnice  |  November 06 2012, 6:05PM

    Dont agree with Isitjimkerr Theres one certainty about a green light, very soon it's going to change to amber and 3 seconds later it's red. It's nothing to with speed limits it's driving to what you can see in front of you.

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  • Hello_TiG  |  November 06 2012, 4:57PM

    Are you for real IsitJImKerr? ".....Coming from Waterwells end, the lights often change, and I don't have time to execute even an emergency stop, and I'm only doing 60 - 65mph. You should not have to undertake an emergency stop as a routine....." Which implies what? That you sail blithely through an amber or red light because, ahem, you were going far too fast to stop in time?? You need to have a think about your approach to driving fella. Look at a green light like this - what's going to happen next, by logic? That's right, it will go to amber, and then red. So approaching a green light, you should be prepared to stop AS WELL, because that will be the next event at those lights. It's all about the anticipation - remember the old adage - it may well have been your right of way - but what good will that attitude do you at the pearly gates??

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  • IsitJimKerr  |  November 06 2012, 2:40PM

    spindles12..............I didn't want to add fuel to the fire, especially as we don't know exactly what happened in the crash, but I travel through these lights every day. Coming from Waterwells end, the lights often change, and I don't have time to execute even an emergency stop, and I'm only doing 60 - 65mph. You should not have to undertake an emergency stop as a routine. If I have difficulty in a smallish vehicle, 44 tonnes hasn't got a chance. I have told the authorities previously that I think the sequencing/timing is wrong.

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  • Lord_Gaga_  |  November 06 2012, 11:38AM

    Its not the road! teach people to drive, not how to pass the test! make all new drivers ride a small motorbike for a year! Get these killers off the road!

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