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Police want pop-up urinals in Gloucester

By The Citizen  |  Posted: November 23, 2012

A pop up urinal in King Street in Stroud in 2007

A pop up urinal in King Street in Stroud in 2007

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POP-UP urinals and bottle banks to help dispose of potential weapons are needed to bring more people into Gloucester at night, according to police.

Officers are working with community partners to ramp-up safety ahead of the Christmas rush.

Police hope the urinals would stop people using the street as a toilet. The scheme has proved successful in Stroud and Bristol.

A penalty notice for disorder can be issued to anyone caught out urinating in public. Another idea is where anyone caught would be asked to make a donation to charity.

It is one of a raft of measures being suggested by the force. Licensing Sergeant Liz Lovell, said policing Gloucester at night is proving increasingly difficult.

"The figures show there has been a big increase in disorder since the licensing hours changed," she said.

"The crimes have massively escalated.

"Although we halved the amount of nightclubs – crime rose sharply. You now get congestion and it is all focused in one area. To have a thousand people coming out of one club and 700 more coming out of another creates problems."

Police have also suggested a safe-zone for those on a night out. It is hoped one of the empty shops in The Gate Streets can be used to create a centre for street pastors, first-aiders and police to use as an information point for anyone in need.

Street pastors have told police empty bottles strewn around Gloucester at night is a common sight as drinkers load-up on cheap supermarket booze before hitting city nightspots.

They are concerned they can then be used as weapons when trouble starts at kicking-out time.

"Many people are pre-loaded with alcohol before they go out," said Sgt Lovell.

"The quantity of alcohol people consume before they go out has increased.

"Supermarkets sell very cheap alcohol now and that contributes to the problem."

Rich Payne, bar manager at Zest said empty bottles are becoming a major issue.

"Our door staff confiscate 50 or 60 drinks a week from people. When we are cleaning up we often find empty bottles of Lambrini or Courvoisier in the toilets. People smuggle them in or drink them in taxis on their way into Gloucester. We do worry about empty bottles lying around as they could be used to start trouble."

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  • bdoggydawg  |  November 29 2012, 12:58PM

    What about the hundreds of millions of pounds the Supermarkets will have to pay due to minimum pricing? Do you think that might help the country?

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  • SandraPee  |  November 28 2012, 5:15PM

    bdoggydawg Minimum pricing will only penalise those who are responsible drinkers on low fixed incomes . Can't see the people clubbing Friday/Saturday nights and getting ''hammered'' just for the sake of it going without .

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  • bdoggydawg  |  November 28 2012, 11:27AM

    Seems I'm not the only one with the same opinions. Interesting to see minimum pricing being introduced in this country. Let's hope this helps towards reducing crime. I'd love a Q&A session but I'm not sure I'd come away having learnt anything?

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  • sticks_stones  |  November 27 2012, 11:31PM

    by Bonkim2003 Tuesday, November 27 2012, 10:27AM . "sticks_stones - what points are you making repeating your posts." The [points] is actually mentioned in the post - what is your point? by sticks_stones Monday, November 26 2012, 11:27PM . "My comment on an other serious crime in gloucester - http://tinyurl.com/csrhols by sticks_stones Monday, November 26 2012, 10:43PM . "Two weeks ago...and it takes that long to get an e-fit out? London, 11 year old girl seriously assulted yesterday - "An 11-year-old schoolgirl is in hospital after she was snatched off the street and raped when she got off the bus on the way home from school. " "It doesn't need me to say how serious an attack this is," he added. "She's still in hospital and has had to have surgery for her injuries. "Then she was dragged into a park and subjected to a brutal sex attack." The victim who was dressed in her school uniform, is described as white and of petite frame. She has told police that the attack continued for two to three hours and officers say she has suffered serious injuries. Police described the suspect as a black male with afro hair wearing a dark grey top and black baggy jeans. They say the attack took place along one of Enfield's busiest shortcuts, at the beginning of Friday afternoon rush-hour http://tinyurl.com/cyqqa3f http://tinyurl.com/cmt4kbr An 11 year old innocent little girl dragged away and subjected to the most horrifying sexual attack for up to 3 hours!!""

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  • Ms_Superstar  |  November 27 2012, 10:43PM

    @gloscityguy:"Well who exactly is carrying 36 bottles of Stella around on a night out?" Surprised you have to ask. We see it all the time in Cheltenham. " it is illegal to drink on the street for a start" (true, but only if advised not to by a police officer), "and the police will deal with those who do." No. They won't. " So people must be getting drunk in their own homes," yes, so that they can go out drunk and cause trouble on the cheap " and what they do in their own homes is none of your, or anyone else's business, 'unsupervised' or not." Ok, fair comment. "Bars like Zest don't care about how much people have had to drink, as long as you can stand and aren't violent." I don't know Zest, so can't comment. " They just want supermarkets to stop selling affordable alcohol to maximise their profits," No, they just want to compete on a level playing field. Supermarkets don't have to clear up after their customers, don't have to make sure they don't cause trouble, don't have to entertain them. "and only an idiot or a stooge would put all the blame on supermarkets when it comes to the public urination and violence in the city centres." Ok, but anyone with a modicum of common sense can see the harm they are doing to the fabric of society. "And OK if supermarkets are to blame then why are bars still serving these people?" Are they? As a voluntary worker who works with drunk people among others, manyof the people we help haven't even got as far as a pub or club. " How can a bar let someone in who is already drunk off their face on supermarket drink?" They don't, as far as I'm aware. That's why we see them hanging (or staggering) around the streets without having got into a pub or club. "If they are sober enough to get in, then what exactly is the difference between having a couple of beers before going out or having those beers in a bar?" No difference. but often we're not talking about a couple of beers but a couple of 1.5litre bottles of strong cider, or a couple of crates of Stella, "except price, and who the money goes to?" Local business, or cynical greedy multinational?

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  • Steve_Thomas  |  November 27 2012, 10:15PM

    Grumpyand50, I think you'll find it's the supermarkets and off-licences that are a drain on local services and resources, not the club owners, who are struggling to stay open and pay far more in taxes and surcharges than they ever get back from the community. In Cheltenham, for example, all of the public toilets are closed at night. As the article says, "Street pastors have told police empty bottles strewn around Gloucester at night is a common sight as drinkers load-up on cheap supermarket booze before hitting city nightspots.". Same thing in Cheltenham. The bottles don't come from pubs and clubs, you know. They do not allow their customers to take drinks away, and even if they did, they wouldn't have "Sainsbury's Basic" or "Lambrini" printed on them. Instead of being grumpy and 50, get out there of an evening and you'll see I speak the truth.

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  • Hubert1841  |  November 27 2012, 7:09PM

    "Police want pop-up urinals in Gloucester". They should jolly well "go" (as it were) before they leave the station.

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  • grumpyand50  |  November 27 2012, 7:03PM

    Why is my money even being considered for more facilities so that the club owners can carry on making a profit off the back of other taxpayers money,,, emergency services etc

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  • gloscityguy  |  November 27 2012, 6:44PM

    @bdoggydawg If you are willing to pay for a little QandA session, sure. Otherwise I really have better things to do with my time.

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  • bdoggydawg  |  November 27 2012, 1:59PM

    @gloscityguy Could you help me out and explain the effect and reason for minimum pricing in Scotland??

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