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Gloucestershire County Council to launch consultation on shared space scheme

By The Citizen  |  Posted: August 31, 2014

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PEOPLE will be able to have their say on the shared space scheme at Kimbrose Triangle.

Gloucestershire County Council has announced that it will launch a public consultation on the issue.

It comes as a Citizen campaign to install a pedestrian crossing at the bottom of Southgate Street has gained the support of hundreds of people in Gloucester.

Jason Humm, area highways manager at Gloucestershire County Council, said: ‘I think it’s important to say that since the introduction of the shared space we’ve been monitoring the scheme and there have been no accidents.

“Feedback about the current Kimbrose Triangle layout has been both positive and negative.

“We understand that there are strong views on both sides, some wanting to keep it how it is, while others asking for it to be easier and safer to cross.

“For some time we’ve been considering the options available to us, such as including a zebra crossing, and we will be going out to consultation shortly to get peoples views.”

The shared space zone has been met with disapproval, with many describing it as a bad idea and an accident waiting to happen.

The Citizen launched a petition calling for a pedestrian crossing last month, which has attracted more than 500 signatures.

Linda Capener said: “I use this space in car and on foot and every time I say to myself how ridiculous this is. It is bad enough for those who know the roads but as for visitors , enough said.”

Rodger Lyon added: “I use this crossing daily and cars just don't respect it.

“The signage is totally inadequate.”

Fred Glastonbury said: “This is a main road and had perfectly good pedestrian lights before the alterations which worked well.

“Now the area is a lot wider and more difficult to cross when drivers are faced with the ditherers who rightly are being cautious to those who just march across come what may.”

The campaign has also gained the support of Gloucester MP Richard Graham and taxi drivers, who have called the zone confusing and ridiculous.

Gloucestershire County Council has said that since the shared space area was developed in 2011 and the 20mph speed limit was introduced no accidents have occurred.

However, although there have been no accidents, there have been numerous anecdotal reports of near-misses and people being clipped by vehicles.

To sign the petition visit change.org and search for ‘shared space’.

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  • IsitJimKerr  |  September 02 2014, 11:13AM

    Sandra, the groups you mention already are catered for. But if you look at pedestrian crossings, as a pedestrian, you have to give the vehicles time to see you and stop. Yet about a year ago in Quedgeley, a young girl was knocked down (twice!) after she just walked straight over a crossing, giving the driver no chance to stop. So even where there are designated areas, peeps get it totally wrong. So to multiply this a squillion times, and have an area like the triangle where pedestrians can just walk where they want is totally ridiculous.

  • Oldsage1  |  September 02 2014, 4:41AM

    If you don't like crossing the road there, stop being lazy and walk down the road a bit. It's what billions of people do all over the world, whatever their circumstances. They use their brains and don't whinge. Why don't the persistant hot air moaners on this site stop wasting everyone's time with pathetic non-arguments and get off their idle rears and do positive things instead. We would have a more pleasant world indeed! (And that includes the weasels who incessantly dig at politicians, who after all, are working for us)

  • simon01  |  September 01 2014, 5:28PM

    My metric to imperial conversion may not be entirely accurate but there is no way those little blue things are that size. Take a look: https://http://tinyurl.com/q4dc8ya In any case im not saying it's only about the size of the signs, it's also about how clear and concise they are, and their positioning.

  • Klipspringer6  |  September 01 2014, 4:59PM

    if signs that are about 5 foot high and 8 foot wide aren't large enough, what would be? Its unfortunate that there are some drivers who seem to take no notice of signs and only rely on their sat-nav. If in doubt, proceed with caution, and treat the whole area as a pedestrian crossing, that is, after all, what it is. I'm sorry m'lud I didn't know what it was or what I should do wouldn't be a valid argument in court had a driver mowed down someone. Anyway, shouldn't a newspaper be reporting the news instead of creating it?

  • simon01  |  September 01 2014, 11:56AM

    Having recently moved to Gloucester, I must admit that I drove through the shared space a couple of times before I even realised what it was. I just assumed that the people crossing were absolute nutters and walked out regardless of oncoming traffic. Of course as soon as I noticed it was a shared space I understood and now treat that section of road with great care and always stop for pedestrians when possible. I do notice a lot of others don't stop or slow down though, even when people have started crossing and I am almost certain that this is because they don't know about the shared space. I use the space as a driver and pedestrian and think it works well, just needs some improvement. It isn't clearly signposted, the signs aren't "bloody huge", and even when you do see them you need to take time to understand them as they are out of the ordinary. In my opinion, it is better signage for drivers that is required.

  • SandraPee  |  September 01 2014, 10:16AM

    Anyone giving red thumbs down to making life safer for the elderly, disabled and children should take a long hard look at themselves . They might not be in any of those groups ,YET . One day, one day ......

  • SandraPee  |  September 01 2014, 9:04AM

    glosbiker . Exactly . Not only is it difficult for the elderly and disabled it is also a risk for children ....taught from an early age the Green Cross Code ....... stop at the edge of the pavement and look both ways before crossing . There is NO pavement edge !

  • glosbiker  |  August 31 2014, 11:13PM

    Klipspringer6 its not about not seeing signs, more about knowing what shared space is. I work in Cheltenham, and when talking about the shared space with workmates most of the them I have no idea what a shared space is, when I tell them they also think its a silly idea... And that's from Cheltonians with there road layout! Villager, yes YOU may go at 20MPH and know about the area, but there are penty who still go round there at 30+. The reason why pedestrians don't step out is because they have sense to treat it as a road not shared so wait for a space. True shared space means if pedestrians are waiting and can safely step out vehicles give way, and if vehicles are to close to stop then pedestrians give way. That does not happen unless forced then you get beeped at or filthy looks and abusive language. Things must be worse for the elderly or disabled trying to cross when busy

  • spindles12  |  August 31 2014, 10:47PM

    Here's an idea. How about having a man with a red flag at the start of the shared space and when he sees a car coming he walks in front of it, waving the flag to warn pedestrians that there is a nasty dangerous vehicle approaching? Similarly there could be someone handing out high viz jackets to anyone wanting to cross the road, thereby making sure that there are no serious accidents. By the way, just how many accidents, serious or otherwise, have there been since the opening of the shared space, none apparently since 2011. If people are daft enough to step in front of a car instead of waiting for a break in the traffic then perhaps they should think about where they are crossing and choose a safer place. As for a shared space being more confusing for visitors, strangers driving around somewhere are usually much more hesitant and careful about their driving so it is more than likely the locals who are driving with no regard for pedestrians.

  • Klipspringer6  |  August 31 2014, 10:16PM

    If, as a car driver you cannot see the bloody huge signs on the approach telling you its a shared space, then you should make an appointment with an optician and inform DVLA you need to drive with eye correction. Your vehicle is a potential lethal weapon, and you control if it goes or stops. If another road user is in your way then you'd be at fault for driving into them, be they bus, lorry, van car, bike or pedestrian. From some posters it would seem the solution would be an automated barrier that raises after a driver takes a ticket telling them what a shared space is